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  1. The sympathy of heaven.

    If I were the one I would have destroyed Satan immediately.

    I would have cast him to one of the hottest stars.

    I would have cast him to this earth but relocate my Adam and Eve to another galaxy.

    In that council in heaven that Satan attended, I would have humiliated him and made him leave immediately.

    I would have made sure the fallen angels have rebelled against him and thus divide his kingdom. A tit for tat.

    After shedding the blood of Jesus I would have not given him any more time.

    But heaven had sympathy on Satan, they gave him time to repent but he didn't.

    Amen!(20)
  2. The Love of God amazes me... be so long suffering towards us shows the amazing love God has for each one of us. The manner in how deals with Satan shows how God is fair in all His judgement.
    I would have certainly dealt with Satan in a way he deserves, but today lesson shows us how our Father in Heaven patiently waits for each one of us to come to full repentance. We have a Precious friend in Jesus! Satan is nobody's friend.

    Amen!(23)
  3. We need to be close to God. By prayer, by reading of His Words, by a true relationship with His Son, which is Jesus. Jesus is the one to bring peace to our lives! Although sometimes we may feel the opposite! Because our own fallen nature fights against what is pure and perfect! And when we look for perfection, that is only possible through Jesus love, who died for us, and who can take our prayers directly to God Himself! This is the Gospel of peace! We get right with the Father through His Son, Jesus!

    Amen!(5)
  4. The war in heaven is a war of words, not a physical war
    In Rev 12:4 the tail of the dragon, dragged a third of the stars out of heaven. In Isaiah 9:15, the tail represents prophets telling lies. Satan told lies and one third of the angels believed him and were cast out of heaven with him
    Then in Rev 12:9 the dragon is called “the ancient serpent.” Which reminds us of Genesis 3 and the “battle” between the serpent and the woman (Eve), which was a “war” of words with the serpent telling lies about God and the woman in the end believing them and acting upon them.
    Rev 12:10 makes it clear that Satan is being cast out not as a general at the head of armies, but as the accuser of the “brethren.” Once again the weapon of choice is words. The language and role here reminds us of Satan against Job and against Joshua in Zechariah 3:1-2, where he accuses believers and by implication God Himself.
    Those who resist Satan in this passage do so by the “word of their testimony” Rev 12:11
    So all together these point to a battle of words over the character of God and who has the right to rule the universe. Rev 12:10 points back to chapter Rev 5 and the enthronement of the Lamb on account of the cross Rev 12:11. So the war in heaven is fought with words and concerns the claims of Satan, the character of God and His right to rule the universe. By their behaviour in the controversy, the respective characters of God and Satan become clear to the watching universe.

    Amen!(23)
    • I would disagree. When the Bible say it was war, it was war. They did not have an intellectual debate and after Satan loss he turned around and walked out. I was a lanndlord and to get people out who shouldnt be there it takes a Sheriff (Force). Satan wanted the throne, he was not going to just give it up. The bible describes him being kicked out as being cast out of heaven. They had to physically get him and his angels out of there. Revelation 12:7 states
      7 Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon. And the dragon and his angels fought back, 8 but he was defeated, and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.
      All Indications are it was a slander campaign that lead to an all out physical war.

      Amen!(4)
      • Hi Mark, Shirley can correct me if I am wrong, but I think her point was that it was a war of the minds. There may have been some physical interaction but God does not need to get physical. The angels blinded the men at Lot's door. The blinding was indeed physical but there was no physical interaction between the angels and the men who were trying to get physical. Just like the men tried to get physical with Lot and the angels, the angels did not need to get physical with them. So Satan may have tried to get physical with God and the angels, but they did not need to get physical with him. Revelation 20:7-9 presents Satan trying to physically take over the New Jerusalem, but fire comes down and destroys them before that ever happens.

        Amen!(6)
      • I am not entirely sure how "push and shove" is played out among supernatural beings, and not being a witness to the actual event, I have to rely on the testimony of others. What is apparent is that the "war" threatened existence itself. Here is a poor analogy but perhaps one that we can think about. Suppose you invented the powerful computer with artificial intelligence that equaled your own. And in the process of it going about its business, it decided that you, its creator, was no longer necessary and decided to eliminate you. If in the process of eliminating you it would eliminate itself. It would not be a battle of power lasers and explosive devices, but a meeting of intelligent minds, each trying to dominate the other.

        As I have said before, the battle between good and evil is a close fought battle. It has been won; we can rejoice in that, but we should never think of it as a bit of play-acting on a cosmic stage.

        Amen!(5)
          • The term "equality" takes some teasing out, Kenny, particularly with the qualifier, "in any way". Let me rephrase the question? Did God create Lucifer in such a way that he was inferior to God "in any way"? God gave Lucifer, intelligence and free-choice. He was not created as an automaton.

            Amen!(4)
          • What can the created share in common with the Creator? That would give an indication of what the created and the Creator share in common.

            What can the created never share in common with the Creator? That would give an indication of what is distinct between the created and the Creator.

            Could it be that God 'poured' everything that was possible into the creation of Lucifer and only omitted that which was not possible?

            Amen!(1)
      • Interesting point Mark, how do see them fighting? With fists? Karate kicks? With weapons? Certainly angels sent to earth could kill a whole army in one night. It appears the 'fight' stopped short of killing as they were still alive to be thrown out of heaven. However I agree it was a fierce battle and the stakes were very high.

        Amen!(4)
      • I would propose that 2 Cor 10:4 provides insight into what kind of war/battle is being talked about in the spiritual realm.

        Amen!(4)
    • To view any of several "battles" from this war, look at:

      Gen 3
      Gen 22
      Job
      Dan 1, 3, 4, 6
      Matt 4:1-10
      your own life
      etc

      Amen!(4)
  5. RE: "He stood in open revolt against God but was defeated and exiled on earth."

    I cannot find one scripture or EGW quote that says that Satan was exiled to earth in his ORIGINAL rebellion. Why would God send Satan to earth and not some abandoned planet?

    Satan was cast to earth at Calvary. That is the war that is referred to in Revelation 12:7-9, not the original casting out of heaven.

    Before Calvary he was the "prince of the powers of the air" (Ephesians 2:2) Now he is confined to the earth.

    Amen!(7)
      • Sam & Lecates: I hadn't heard that before either, but I bought the companion booklet for this quarter & Ranko Stefanovic explains & documents it very clearly on pages 77-79.

        Amen!(1)
  6. Where are texts that indicate that Satan and his angels were confined to earth at Calvary? I have never heard that before.

    Amen!(3)
  7. " He knows that his last chance to succeed against God before the Second Coming is to win the battle of Armageddon."

    Does anyone have a comment on this? Isn't the battle already won at the cross?

    Amen!(3)
    • The 'battle' to regain humanity as a 'species' was won at the cross by the second Adam retracing the steps of the first Adam except that where the first Adam fell, the second Adam refused to do so no matter what - including being put to death in the cruelest possible way known at the time (see Rom 5:19 in conjunction with Isa 53:12 and Phil 2:8).

      But all this did was provide the POTENTIAL for any individual human to have a second chance at choosing life instead of death (as per Deut 30:15-20 for example). In order for that POTENTIAL to become reality for any individual, they have to choose to the point of irreversibility which Kingdom they wish to be part of. The battle to influence that choice for each individual continues until each person alive has made their irreversible choice. This scenario has already happened once before in history leading up to the flood - hence as it was in the days of Noah, so will it be again at the second coming.

      If God had not intervened at the time of the flood and left things go a bit longer, quite likely all humans alive would have chosen the Kingdom of Darkness as per Gen 6:5.

      A sobering thought...

      Amen!(3)
  8. See quote below from Desire of Ages: Jesus' death is linked to Satan's being cast down in Rev 12:10.
    Rev 12:13 says Satan was cast down to the earth.
    Jesus said just before His Crucifixion: John 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out.
    Angels in the Abyss of 5th Trumpet
    Rev 9:1-2  And the fifth angel sounded. And I saw a star fall from the heaven to the earth, and it was given the key of the abyss.  2  And it opened the bottomless pit. And there arose a smoke out of the pit, like the smoke of a great furnace. And the sun and air were darkened because of the smoke of the pit.
    Rev 9:11  And they had a king over them, the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in Greek his name is Apollyon. 
    2Pe 2:4  For if God did not spare sinning angels, but thrust them down into the abyss, and delivered them into chains of darkness, being reserved to judgment. 
    Jude 6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day;

    Desire of Ages:
    Could one sin have been found in Christ, had He in one particular yielded to Satan to escape the terrible torture, the enemy of God and man would have triumphed. Christ bowed His head and died, but He held fast His faith and His submission to God. “And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.” Revelation 12:10.

    Satan saw that his disguise was torn away. His administration was laid open before the unfallen angels and before the heavenly universe. He had revealed himself as a murderer. By shedding the blood of the Son of God, he had uprooted himself from the sympathies of the heavenly beings. Henceforth his work was restricted. Whatever attitude he might assume, he could no longer await the angels as they came from the heavenly courts, and before them accuse Christ’s brethren of being clothed with the garments of blackness and the defilement of sin. The last link of sympathy between Satan and the heavenly world was broken.

    Yet Satan was not then destroyed. The angels did not even then understand all that was involved in the great controversy. The principles at stake were to be more fully revealed. And for the sake of man, Satan’s existence must be continued. Man as well as angels must see the contrast between the Prince of light and the prince of darkness. He must choose whom he will serve.

    In the opening of the great controversy, Satan had declared that the law of God could not be obeyed, that justice was inconsistent with mercy, and that, should the law be broken, it would be impossible for the sinner to be pardoned. Every sin must meet its punishment, urged Satan; and if God should remit the punishment of sin, He would not be a God of truth and justice. When men broke the law of God, and defied His will, Satan exulted. It was proved, he declared, that the law could not be obeyed; man could not be forgiven. Because he, after his rebellion, had been banished from heaven, Satan claimed that the human race must be forever shut out from God’s favor. God could not be just, he urged, and yet show mercy to the sinner.
    Desire of Ages pg 758-762

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  9. Hard to imagine war in heaven, God's residence! Yet, we are told in this cartoon sketched drama that there was a struggle of cosmic proportions in the very presence of God. The tussle was bloodless, but the power struggle real. Was it physical, verbal, both? Death wasn't immediate as the dragon and his loyal hosts were cast out to the limited territory of earth where the battle picks up and ends. And, it involves us. It is a long contest that closes clearly with the ultimate end of Satan.

    Amen!(1)
  10. Interesting thoughts are posted. Here's just a few thoughts of my own.
    1. The battle is definitely one of words, a battle for the mind. Yet reflect on Satan's methods over the course of history. The deceptions, temptations fall into the "battle for the mind" category. But Satan does not stop there. He gets very physical in his assaults when his deceptions aren't working as well as he'd like.

    2. It appears that Satan's first tactics in his rebellion were purely a battle of words and deceptive persuasion. God, in His wisdom, let it ripen. It wasn't until it was determined he and his followers were going to be banished from heaven, that things got physical.

    3. There is something in the universe that always puzzled me. Sin, we've been told, is practiced only on this earth, while the rest of the universe is loyal to God. The question then is -- why is there so much chaos in the universe? Broken planet pieces floating around in space, planets and suns crashing into each other. Space camera's send back awesome pictures of celestial objects that have exploded or collided. The more one looks into astronomy the more it seems some huge monkey wrench went flying through space knocking things out of their order.
    Makes one wonder if the rebellious angels, enraged that they were going to be kicked out of heaven, went on a rampage to destroy God's creation. Remember, even in Revelation 20, Satan marshal's his armies to wage war against God. He's very capable of doing so until he and his angels are restrained.

    God (and Jesus) are far superior to even the greatest and strongest angels. God doesn't need to "go on a rampage" to cast out the rebels. But the "casting out" was physical removal.
    Jude 1:6 seems to indicate the rebellious angels LEFT the place they were supposed to be, and thus had to be chained (somehow restrained).

    4. It appears Satan (and/or some of his angels) could access the "tree of good and evil" on all the other inhabited planets. (see EW p. 40)
    Also, it appears this earth was NOT his territory when he was first cast out of heaven -- he could only be at the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
    But it's only on Earth that the inhabitants released him from his limited access to our planet, by obeying him. Satan was not free to follow Adam and Eve around the garden BEFORE they ate of the forbidden tree.

    5. After the cross, Satan and his angels were entirely restricted to this planet. But even here they were somewhat restricted, for God, in His mercy puts restrictions on Him. But in the last days, those restrictions will be removed and the full revelation of satan's government will develop. It will result in a terrible time of trouble, worse than anything that has happened on this earth before.
    But the heavenly army will ride forth (Rev. 19) and end it.
    Why would anyone chose Satan's government -- God's ways are righteous, and good, and the only real happy way of living.

    Amen!(3)
    • Primarily, people choose Satan's government by default, because they don't believe in God, or because they are deceived by Satan (or all three). We are born with Satan's nature, and unless we actively choose God, we cannot belong to God. We are born with a natural love for darkness, which we are to overcome through our lifetimes.
      GC, Ch. 30: "When man transgressed the divine law, his nature became evil, and he was in harmony, and not at variance, with Satan. There exists naturally no enmity between sinful man and the originator of sin. Both became evil through apostasy."

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      • Melissa, I have come to believe that we are born with choices to make, and are not born guilty, since what is a newborn child guilty of until it chooses to sin?

        Adam was created in the image of God, but had to make a choice. We are born no different, only the image of God is marred by the fact of inherited traits, but not guilt. Guilt comes when we choose to sin(see Rom 5:12).

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    • Why would anyone choose Satan's government? Most of the lost probably don't, since most will tell you the devil is a myth.

      People choose unbelief because they " believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness"(2 Thess 2:12). When we allow our carnal nature to live out its desires, truth becomes despised. Romans 8 highlights the solution, which most are not willing to follow. The wicked are aligned with the devil by the principle of their unbelief and resulting actions, not out of sympathy or agreement with the devil himself. As with the devil, sinners place self in the place of God in their lives, and carry out the desires of the flesh, and not the Spirit. Satan has deceived them, though not while appearing as himself, asking for their devotion to him.

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      • As with the devil, sinners place self in the place of God in their lives, and carry out the desires of the flesh, and not the Spirit.

        What you have said illustrates that our deepest, core motive underpins everything else we do (Prov 4:23): self-renouncing vs self-exalting/indulging/gratifying. Whichever one of these core motives we 'hunger for' will in turn be manifest in the desires we carry out including whether we live in harmony with or rebellion against Truth.

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  11. Ulrike, I don't understand EW p 40, to say that Satan had access to the trees of life in other planets? Please explain.

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  12. Ellen G. White, Advent Review and Sabbath Herald, March 9, 1886:
    If God were like us, we 'would expect to hear him say, " Let the world go ; let Satan have it for his own." But I am so thankful that God is not like man. He so loved the creatures of his care that he provided a way by which they might be brought back to their Eden home. But at what an immense cost was this provision made! It was no less than by giving up his own dear Son, who was equal to himself, to bear the penalty of the transgressor. The controversy was not to be taken into the other worlds of the universe ; but it was to be carried on in the very world, on the very same field, that Satan claimed as his.

    Amen!(1)

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