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Retributive Punishment – Hit the Mark — 4 Comments

  1. To quote from the opening thoughts:

    "We often don’t know what we are talking about because our opinions are built around incomplete knowledge of the facts... Although they expressed themselves with care and genuine concern, the friends of Job did not know what they were talking about."
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    The apostle Paul could personally vouch for the fact that the Jewish people had "a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge" (Rom 10:2.) Israel had a huge enthusiasm and passion for God, but it was not based on a correct knowledge or understanding. The people knew the Scriptures very well, and yet in all their learning they had missed the true spirit of the words. Their zeal was blind in its operation and destructive in its results. They would travel land and sea to win one convert, but when they had won him to the faith, he was made "twice as much a son of hell" than they were. (Matt 23:15.)

    And yet in contrast to all this, Paul's zeal (now based on a correct understanding,) led him to publicly reprove Peter when [on one occasion] Peter separated himself from a group of Gentiles. On that occasion Paul "withstood him to his face, because he was to be blamed" (Gal 2:11.) The apostle spoke with a correct knowledge and zeal.

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  2. The issue of "correct understanding" is a complex one and I think that we need to be careful how we use it.

    I come back to the fundamental premise that truth is not a destination that we arrive at. The bell does not ring to let us know that we have arrived at the "Truth Station". Rather, truth is a set of learning experiences that we engage in. There is a real danger in thinking that we now "have the truth". The Israelites/Jews at various stages in history acted as though the had the truth, when in fact they have become stagnated and fixed.

    One of the main dangers about a static view of truth is that we become fixated in justifying our position. Do not misunderstand me - I am not saying that what we believe is wrong, but rather that our attitude to our beliefs is wrong. Our relationship with Jesus and with one another should encourage us to grow our truth experience.

    Your example of Paul's interaction with Peter is a good one. It is an example of two Christians interacting with one another and growing their truth together. It is not a case of one being right and another wrong, but an example of working through an issue of understanding together.

    As a footnote; we may like to think of our interaction with unbelievers not in the sense of "we have the truth, but they don't", but with a sense of "learning together". We cannot afford to be arrogant or egocentric in our perception and presentation of truth. It is not something we have - rather it is an experience we share.

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  3. Indeed truth is not a destination brother Ashton. Otherwise our eternity years will have an end as we shall reach that destination. I like the idea of having the correct attitude towards what we know. Our attitude should be to obey- among other things.

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  4. If anything, God’s punishment is redemptive not retributive, and it is not about facts and knowledge. Rather, it is about our relationship with him. We truly miss the mark when we make God in our image, just as Job’s three friends did as they “comforted” Job with their religious “truth” and platitudes that totally misrepresented God and maligned his character. This is a form of idolatry and it is no wonder then that “Jehovah said to Eliphaz the Temanite, ‘My wrath is kindled against you and your two friends. For you have not spoken of Me what is right, as My servant Job has.’” (Job 42:7)

    The internal images of God we make in our minds can be the most dangerous form of idolatry because we may worship them without question. To keep us from this sin, Jesus offers us the Spirit of Truth to dwell with us and to be in us. (John 14:16, 17) The receipt of this Spirit is our loving God’s guarantee that we belong to him and he to us. (2 Corinthians 1:21, 22) In the face of trial and adversity, as well as God’s blessings, the Christian’s life should be a journey with our Heavenly Father and his Son where we learn together in spirit and in truth.

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