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  1. I appreciate your comments. I do have a question. Why does it seem that the SDA organization act as though E.G. White is the last prophet/prophetess?

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      • As a Seventh-day Adventist, how should we respond to what Israel is currently doing to the Palestinians in Gaza? Should we rejoice, should we condemn it, or should we ignore it since it doesn't affect us?

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        • I think we should cry over the destruction of innocent lives.
          I noticed that everyone who protested in the USA was called "anti-semitic" but now there are Jews in Israel who are protesting the activities and it's kind of hard to say they are anti-semitic, as they are Jews.

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        • That is a very good question Melvin. As Seventh-day Adventists, we should realize that what we are seeing is a result of what happens when Satan through earthly powers, changes what God has done and foretold will happen.

          All this we see is coming from the false picture of prophecy, and the false prophet in Revelation is supporting it, which is the futuristic view of prophecy. Created by the beast power that the Dragon gave his power to. Yes most Christians have drank the cool aide, that the Jews of the flesh, are still the chosen people of God. If so then you must rip out chapters 11, 14 in Romans and Galatians 3 out of the Bible. When really it’s the spiritual Jews that are now the chosen. This power has undone what God did in AD 70 with the destruction of Jerusalem, in the scattering of the Jews. And it has created a Masonic Jewish state, of which was one of the reasons for WWII, funded and started by this same beast power. Those two wars WW I and II were created to bring about a UN of which was another goal to bring about the state of Israel through after breaking their hold on Europe through persecution.
          It’s something how history can be repeated with little changes. Like in Christ day the Jews were the church and Rome was the state that united to get rid of Jesus.
          Now we have Rome is a church and they are using the Jews as a state, to miss lead people and get rid of those in the end who love Jesus so much they will be keeping all His commitments.
          So yes we should condemn it as Eph 5:11 says, and tell people the truth about the Three angels message and the historical view on prophecy.

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  2. There's so much rich fodder for our spiritual growth in here, Pr. William..thank you! I'll unpack with you some of my thoughts in response....

    (1) While we know that all Scripture is inspired and useful for edification (2 Tim. 3:16-17), I don't think everything in the Bible is a model for our own behavior. We read in the Bible stories and in the psalms sin-tainted opinions and responses by sinful people.

    For example, Solomon in Eccl. 4:3 says that someone never born is better off than those who have been born and who are still alive or dead. I don't think God would agree that it is better to never have been born than it is to receive the gift of life, even though, as Solomon is pointing out, living means being impacted by evil works...because after all, God is the one who brings people to life. Another example would be that many times in the Psalms the psalmist says that he envies the prosperity of the wicked (Ps. 73:2-3). While this demonstrates honesty in conversation with God, which is something God wants from us, we know that envy or questioning God's mercy upon the wicked is not righteous.

    Just so, I think Ps. 137 where it talks about being happy to dash the little ones of wicked, abusive people against rocks... personally I don't think that is a godly response. I don't think God delights in punishing the wicked. In Eze. 33:11 He clearly says, "I take no pleasure in the death of wicked people..."...also in Eze. 18:32 and 2 Pet. 3:9 it says that God wants no one to perish. God is love and even when Lucifer is destroyed forever, I don't think God will be laughing as Satan dies, or that the burning lake of fire will be a time of singing in heaven. The death of the wicked is a solemn moment that breaks God's heart.

    But I agree with you that God rejoices, and we may too, when evil is stopped (Prov. 11:10). And we know that God does have wrath upon the evildoer (Ps. 7:11; Rom. 1:18; 12:19; Rev. 6:17). Personally, I relate to your examples as I was in an abusive relationship and was relieved when he died suddenly of a heart-attack. While I give thanks that God brought me reprieve, I believe I am also called to forgive and find peace only in God's great mercy, and not find any happiness in someone's death.

    (2) Wow, that is a powerful thought about Jesus not being able to call God His Father in that moment on the Cross! He literally became sin for us (2 Cor. 5:21). Perfect Jesus was 100% wicked (through His own self-sacrificing choice) at that time. Jesus was dying the second death of the wicked. And what a convicting point you make that "forsake" is a forever word. Forever happened in that moment.

    As I picture myself standing at the foot of that Cross where Jesus hung, I don't picture myself smiling or laughing or rejoicing or doing a dance of victory. A wicked person - me - Jesus for me - was dying right there. Jesus was delivering me and evil was being destroyed. That moment was a moment of unimaginable pain of separation in the heart of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, beyond what I can imagine. The earth quaked and it turned dark. The wages of sin is death and death is painful. Jesus - now taking on the form of the snake Himself on that pole - was dying and it was a moment of great solemnity. While also it was a moment of salvation and great rejoicing. This is a mystery.

    (3) You mentioned about Moses being like Jesus. I just was thinking what this was like for Moses...to go from a solitary life guarding sheep for 40 years in the wilderness, to suddenly being a conduit for millions of people's relationship with God, to becoming God's Voice and God's Arm with the Rod. What an awesome responsibility! We see Moses speaking in great faith before the people (Ex. 14:13-14), but in private he poured out his human weakness to God...crying to God (Ex. 14:15; 15:25; 17:4; 5:22-23).

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  3. Lots to think about here. I would not condemn people for celebrating the demise of the wicked. God certainly doesn't. At the same time, if God won't be celebrating over the destruction of the wicked at the end (and I really do believe He will carry a pain in His heart over them forever, even when everyone else has forgotten) and if we won't be celebrating either, then shouldn't our goal be to move in that direction? I don't think this is being nicer than God either. There is a lot of poetic language in the Bible about God being angry and so on that perhaps is just our best way of representing how God feels about sin. I don't know if it should all be taken as an absolute statement about how God feels. We can only glimpse a small part of what goes on in God's mind.

    If I was in the shoes of the wife and children at the funeral, I would understand their perspective, especially the relief at being free. The problem is that every person is complex and complicated. That man was once an innocent child who made bad choices that made him an abuser. Maybe he was abused himself. If his mother was alive, she'd probably weep for him. That's why we probably shouldn't celebrate the demise of people publicly. We don't need to cry over them, but we can be sensitive. I remember reading that when the bus driver who gave Rosa Parks so much trouble died, the media came to Ms. Parks for a statement. I like the graciousness of what she said, "I'm sure his family will miss him." Don't whitewash it, but be respectful.

    And yes, the Israelites did celebrate the demise of the Egyptians, but I think they were looking at it collectively, focusing on a group that was absolutely opposed to God. I guess we could say Pharoah and his hordes had committed the unpardonable sin. Nothing to cry over there. But for us, it's rare that we know for sure that people are completely evil. I also don't think they were celebrating the death of each individual soldier.

    That's my thoughts. I guess I would ask myself, if I'm celebrating, how would I feel if the person ends up in Heaven because they unknowingly repented at the end of their life or God knew things that I didn't that made them less culpable. Because there may be people like that in Heaven. Something to think about.

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  4. Wonderful to digest thoughts which I hadn’t considered. Won’t it be such a beautiful experience to discuss these “mysteries” as we walk hand in hand with Jesus one day!

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  5. I think we can rejoice at the end of evil (whether an army or a sadistic murderer) but weep for the loss of a soul.
    Yes they are contradictions, but there are many contradictions in life.

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