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  1. Anna's story is surly commendable. Especially because she has come this far without help from God or man, other than support from those that care via email and other means of communication. AA has similar steps except that they do give credit to God for there success. I can't help but think that God has had a bigger part in Anna's success than has been mentioned.

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  2. I do not put anyone down who has an alcohol problem in the SDA Church. I just wonder how it got to be that some of us have allowed ourselves to take the liberties that we do to disobey GOD as much as we have done in many areas of our lives. (I am including myself here. Please notice that I said we).

    We have to avoid doing some of the things we do as parents, because even a slight deviation from the word of GOD can cause our children to go astray. Presently all four of my children imbibe alcohol even though we never had wine at out table nor alcohol in the fringe as they were brought up. I will admit that a few times I used a bit of rum to fight a cold because where I was born it was recommended even among Adventists as a sure cure for that.

    Maybe that is where they get the idea, though I was shocked when I learned that my youngest had regular visits to bars with his friends when he became of age. I had never drank alcohol in his presence. But he follows the world around him like some of our children do. He swallows alcohol like he is drinking water, and it does not even make him look dazed in the eye.

    We parents have no idea how even a simple deviation from strictly following the word of GOD can turn our children into infidels and how easy it is for them to follow the example of their SDA friends whose parents` favorite meeting place on Friday evenings is the restaurant, and a Friday night movie to top it off. Yes, these parents call themselves Seventh Day Adventist.

    May GOD have mercy on us and help us.

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    • Thank you for your comments Albert. I think that one of the issues that young people face is the enormous peer pressure to drink excessively. In Australia we have schoolies week at the end of every year where high school students who have finished their final examinations shake off the shackles of parental control and gather large groups for parties of drink, drugs, dancing and sex. The amount of alcohol consumed is staggering.

      Such peer pressure at a young age is very difficult to resist.

      I have to tell the story of my daughter here because I am very proud of what she did. She is a strong personality socially and used that character trait to advantage. My daughter attended a state university where there were regular student parties primarily for the purpose of drinking. My daughter attended these parties (She is a highly social person). She wore her Adventist badge high, refusing to drink and found herself helping those who over indulged. She says that attending a drinking party and seeing the other students drink themselves into insensibility made her determined to leave alcohol alone. Having to help friends throw up in the toilet because they were too drunk to even find the toilet is a good incentive to sobriety. She became highly respected because she would always be the designated driver and would ensure that her drunk friends were delivered to their homes safely. She still has firm friends from her Uni days because of her strong temperance stand. (I am not recommending that our Adventist young people attend drinking parties. My daughter is a very special person with a strong sense of belief and a powerful personality. She could handle the situation very well - although I must admit I was at first quite apprehensive about what she was doing.)

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      • Maurice, thanks for sharing the wonderful story of your marvelous child of God daughter. Congrats to Mom and Dad for God working in you to help her develop a mind of personal conviction and integrity.

        May I say that God has many many sons and daughters who wear the "Adventist badge high", as does your daughter, and who honor God in carrying well the temperance axe and religious belief to justify their actions. Lots of our young people are under similar pressure in our times, and while some do succumb, praise God for the many who listen to the voice of the Holy Spirit.

        My father gave up his alcoholism when he met Jesus Christ (I was 5). He had already given up his bar (rum shop); but uncle's bar was on one side of the T, and best friend Bos had his bar at the top of the T junction. Loads of alcohol and alcoholics around, but my father's family down to three generations, and my in-laws family, down to three generations, not only left the alcohol alone, but carry the temperance axe and religious belief in positive influence to the point that many close relatives and others have given their hearts to Jesus Christ and live soberly through Uncle Reynold's life of influence.

        Our young people are a power of influence under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. I have seen it many times, since as a teenager, but especially powerful in college, and beyond. God is real; and His mercies always....

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    • I fear for parents who give themselves credit for their adult child's actions. In looking at my perfect Heavenly Father, I see absolutely no fault whatsoever in Him causing the sin of Adam, Eve or myself. Sin is the sole and complete responsibility of the individual sinner none of which belongs to the parent. I see parents who blame each other, that is harsh and unkind. God in no way blames Himself or the other two members of the Godhead Son and Holy Spirit for my failings. My heart breaks for the parent who is unable to accept the suicide of an adult child. We must be very cautious on our comments about how a parent is responsible for their adult child's choices.

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  3. This topic reminds me of the fact that we were born in sin and shaped in iniquity as the word of God states. We do not have teach our children how to lie, steal or be selfish. It comes natural to them some how. For example, ask a child if he/she has done something that you know for certain. Watch his/her reaction. It is so important to teach our children the word of God while they are young so that the Holy Spirit will have something to work with when they get older. My boys have made some bad choices in their lives, but now they are turning to the word of God that they learned as a child to help them raise their own children. They are sober parents with a mind and a desire to live for God. They may stumble and fall from time to time but they always bounce back with the help do God Almighty.

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  4. I appreciate you taking the blinders off and dealing with a topic that nneds so much attention. I have been fighting this demon since I entered the church 10yrs ago. I stop for awhile and then fall again. I have tried everything to break the chains of alcohol addiction but nothing has worked thus far. I long for the day I will be a free man able to share my testimony and also help others overcome.

    What I have found interesting is that the overall culture of the church does not make it easy to share our personal battles. Its tough, but I will keep on keeping on.

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    • JJB- Don't stop trying each day to over come your battle. God knows all about your struggles, and the very fact that you are sharing this with your fellow believers in Christ is proof that He is working in you. Romans chapter 7 & 8 are great chapters to read for encouragement. You are sharing your testimony with others right now. Keep looking to Jesus. He will never leave you nor forsake you. Nothing or no one can seperate you from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus. God bless.

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    • JJB, I hope you will consider a recommendation that has proven great for me, and for hundreds I have shared it with; not because I found it powerful, but because it is God's Word, and it works because He said it will:
      "Thy Word have I hid in mine heart that I might not sin against thee"
      The Book of Philippians is a marvelous testimony of Victory in Jesus Christ. I will reference two appetizers to be eaten every day, not as the whole meal, but in context of the full meal:
      4:13 "I can do all things through Jesus Christ Who strengthens me"
      2:13 "For it is God Who is working in me, both to will and to do of His good pleasure."

      When you are not tempted, ask God's blessing before you eat or drink any food from His Word, in devotional time, while you are walking, at Church.......
      When you are not tempted, ask God's blessing before you eat or drink any food from you table, refrigerator, restaurant, bar, neighbor's house..........
      When you are tempted, ask God's blessing before you eat or drink anything, to live more fully for him in best of health and fitness and clarity of mind .........
      Point is, no matter what you or I do, first ask God's blessing to live perfectly in HIm.

      If you will make the time available, read Christ Object Lessons, Chapter 25, based on Matthew 25, as it tells us about the power of the will - in making decisions. God cannot save us without a full surrender of the will:
      "It is GOD WHO IS WORKING IN ME TO WILL, and to DO, HIS WILL.

      This is not just about alcohol. It is our acknowledgement of obedience to God, as Paul instructs in Romans 12:1 -2
      "Present your body a living sacrifice to God.. and my mind to be renewed by the Holy Spirit" (paraphrase).
      Only the Holy Spirit can give victory over sin, true; but the picture is far larger than overcoming sin: It is full surrender of my body, mind, heart, will, love, desires, dreams, opportunities, relationships, craves, to the Holy Spirit, Who is sealing us for Redemption.

      "To will" is a decision. A decision like that of Daniel who "purposed", "determined", "set his mind like a flint" "no matter what", to do God's will.

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  5. "What I have found interesting is that the overall culture of the church does not make it easy to share our personal battles." That is so true, JJB. How I wish we could change that and go into helping mode when someone confesses a problem, instead of condemnation mode.

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    • I agree with you. I was though surprised when watching the worship service from PM Church pastor Dwight N. opened the floor for young people/students and members to share from there struggle with addiction. A lady of color over 60 years old I would say took the microphone and shared how she struggled over the years with pornography. That took courage to be able to stand in front of thousands of people including the viewers to share the fight she had for years. I would admit that I would not have done it. We all worry what others may think about us and the stigma that we may carry due to our admission but if our admission can save a single soul from the hands of Satan it is worth it because Jesus would have died only for one of us. Lord help me not to judge or stigmatize anybody and have true love for all brothers and sisters!

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    • Shorey, It is most unlikely for powerful movements or supportive strength to start with the Church. Too broad a range of people, too preoccupied with life, with too many agendas; besides being inclusive of thorns and thistles planted by the enemy; and left to grow with the wheat in the wisdom of the Chief Agriculturist. Check history, most powerful movements start with the Holy Spirit laying it on the heart of a small group of real seekers who are truly desirous of following His will. But the devil normally crush them, if allowed. Martin Luther, William Miller and others demonstrated that God will reveal Himself powerfully to one person; but while He is working with that one person, He is at the same time working with other individuals, and at the same time preparing a group.

      God has for decades, wherever I go, always provided me with a study partner or a study group. I talked with the Pastor of the Church I attend, both feeling the need for deeper study. What God gave was a study group, starting with the Church First Elder, seasoned Cardiologist, coming to me and asking how...... Pastors and Elders at study now, not everyone, but a consistent group; and every session is more powerful than the one before, with everyone having an opportunity for brand new revelations of truth, literally, and the Holy Spirt working in miraculously marvelous ways. Stories told, and stories retold with a brand new influence bringing brand new attitudes and meaning. Last meeting, one Elder said:"I wish the whole Church was here". That is the desire. The Church will become involved at some time, with new conversions, transformations, growing in Christ; and with new damaging explanations, contentions, and jabbing ripping tearing of flesh from thorns and thistles. Then you will know the answer for why not the "Church". We are in this together, unto the Coming of Our Lord Jesus Christ. God bless.

      Let us all ask the Lord to provide us with other sons and daughters who are of one mind and one desire; then begin to study together, and pray powerfully together.

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  6. its actually a very interesting topic. am facing serious challenges of my own. I don't know what to do and am a fultme advent

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    • Bhekimpio - keep trusting in God. He is working in you to develop His character in you. God will never leave you nor forsake you. By His stripes we are healed. Walk by faith not by sight as God continue to do His work in and through you. God bless.

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  7. Thank you to all you folk for sharing and I hope that may others continue to share their experiences. I am going to be way from the Internet for a couple of weeks and will not be able to respond during that time.

    I want particularly to mention Shorey Joseph's comment. It is difficult as Shorey says, to share our personal battles. I think that we sometimes are afraid to admit that we are less than perfect. We need to get the message out that it is ok to share and bear one another's burdens. We do not come to Jesus because we are healed but to be healed. It would be great if we as church members could learn to offer the assurance of forgiveness and the strength of encouragement to one another

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    • Maurice, thank you for that punch line! I think it is important to note that no one in the entire Bible that was considered righteous ever said that he or she was perfect. To Isaiah it was, "Woe is me, for I am undone!" (Isa. 6:5 NKJV) and to Paul it was, "Not that I have already attained, or am already perfected; but I press on, that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me" (Phil. 3:12 NKJV).

      A quick overview of the list of saints in Heb 11 will easily show the faults of those that God considers safe to save. First there is Abraham the liar then Sara the one who thought it was ok for her husband to get involved in polygamy and who had so little faith in God's promises. Next in the line is Isaac who favored the wrong son and then Jacob who cheated his brother out of his rightful inheritance, then Joseph the brat that just had to let his brothers know that he was going to rule over them. And of course Moses who murdered an Egyptian and who had to get out of town fast because of it, then Rahab the prostitute who became one of Christ's great, great . . . grandparents. Then the list goes to Gideon the fearful one who had to continually test God after that Barak who wouldn't go to battle without a woman leading the way and then Samson who wasted his whole life in serving self and at the end the best he could do was to commit suicide. We also should mention Jephthah who sacrificed his own daughter because of a very foolishness promise and the king of sinners, David who had a man murdered just so he could grab his wife.

      To us perhaps what Paul says is most meaningful, "Brethren, I do not count myself to have apprehended; but one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind and reaching forward to those things which are ahead" (Phil. 3: 13 NKJV). Obviously, it was solely by faith in God that those mentioned in Hebrews, "obtained a good testimony" (Heb. 11:2 NKJV).

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      • Tyler -thanks for those words of encouragement. I get so angered with myself because of the battles I face in my flesh. One of my biggest battles is with my appetite (food & drink). By faith I know that God is working in me, so that I will over come and share my testimony with others. I know that as we overcome one battle Satan will try to introduce a new one. It is comforting to know that one day all of the struggles we face in this life will be over forever. Jesus will wipe all tears from our eyes (no more struggles with temptation). Praise God.

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  8. When I was a very young man I vowed I would never drink after watching members of my family deal with alcoholism. I know that decision is the only thing that kept me from being an alcoholic!

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  9. Maurice's comments and links are apropos for the current lesson (13). The lesson seems to go overboard in developing the theology of tee-totaling - to the point that even those who are on their deathbed are not to be given alcohol to relieve pain because it will damage their health. (Ben had some comments on morphine drip to relieve pain.) My fear with such a strong approach, with weak logic, is that one trying a glass of wine may think that it isn't as bad as claimed - one's judgement isn't that affected. Then they wonder if the rest is as bad as claimed and go on to imbibe more frequently - especially if they see mostly people who are able to control their drinking and appear to suffer no consequences.

    I don't drink. Like Maurice's daughter, I saw enough of people who couldn't control it to decide that I didn't want to risk it. In my case, though, it was older adults as I grew up in a home where both parents drank.

    The additional comments on compassionately dealing with those who are trapped in the addictive cycle is probably more helpful. We can all realize that "there, but for the grace of God, go I."

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