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  1. While we are on the topic of the papacy, we should not forget that the Roman Catholic Church is made up of people. It is easy for us to criticise the papacy as a faceless entity, particularly in the past and in the future. But I think we need a reminder that we live in the present, and there is a job to do.

    The events of the last decade or so, particularly concerning sexual abuse and the shady finances of the Vatican, have only accelerated the exit of members from the Church. The Church is seen as out of date, misogynistic, and largely out of touch with the problems of the real world. You can read their blogs and websites and there is no doubt that many faithful Catholics are hurting deeply.

    A number of you have mentioned the Papal encyclical, "Laudato Si" published in 2015. It makes an interesting read. When you take off your anti-Catholic glasses you see that it is an attempt to bring the church clergy up to date, particularly in the areas of environment and treatment of the poor and needy. Given the state of Vatican politics, I am surprised it was published at all.

    Compared with the 1798 "deadly wound", The Catholic Church has cut an artery and is breading profusely during the last 50 years.

    Amidst the confusion and uncertainty, there are faithful Catholics who are looking for Christian love, fellowship and acceptance. They do not need to hear more condemnation; the press screams that at them every day. They need to know that there are Christians who love them deeply.

    In some respects, the second angel's message:

    Then another angel followed him through the skies, saying, “Babylon is fallen, is fallen—that great city—because she seduced the nations of the world and made them share the wine of her intense impurity and sin.” Rev 14:8 TLB

    is being broadcast by the media. We do not need to rub it in. It would be a sad thing indeed if, while we are discussing 666 and the identity of the beast, we missed the opportunity to share the Gospel of love with those who are hurting. Our best witness is our love for one another. That is our challenge now.

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  2. Maurice:

    Thank you so very much for this reply. You have shown kindness and love in your reply which will bring more focus upon Christ's word to Catholics. As a former Catholic, the Church was my shelter from so much "outside condemnation." Not one could convince me otherwise of my belonging. Opportunities abound for many -- not only Catholics but also for Jehovah's Witnesses who need to hear the aspiring WORD. Remember all here -- The Word is never void -- and if planted well it will bear fruit...I truly am one in whom that seed was planted, and I hope it grows more...

    Thank you.

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  3. What an excellent time to show the Catholic people, as well as others, where their salvation is! God loves the Catholic people, there's no question about that. He is calling them out of the system they are trapped in, which they thought was truth.

    Interesting that you say the "media" is laying open the sins of the papal system. God uses ways to alert people that we didn't expect. But the media does not give truth and the gospel, thus it definitely is NOT giving the three angel's message.

    I do question your statement that the papacy is seen as "largely out of touch with the problems of the real world". I suppose it depends on what issues one is looking at. From what I've read, people from all over the world are looking to the pope for leadership. Especially as all this confusion in the world is creating uncertainty and fear.

    In 1798 his power was reduced to being the spiritual leader of his church -- the Catholic church.
    How is he regarded now in 2023? The pope is engaged in politics all over the world! No other religious leader has anything even close to approaching this level of formal engagement in the diplomatic realm, and the papacy holds a pretty high profile in global political affairs.
    No other religious leader has special non-member status in the United Nations, for example.

    He has considerable, of what some call, "soft power". In the middle ages it was more "hard power" with threats and punishment, now it is said he has "soft power". Defining soft power as “an intangible attraction that persuades us to go along... with the application of papal preferences to political dynamics".
    Soft power seems harmless, and even very helpful, but if we believe the prophecies we realize where this is leading. As many look favorably on his soft power, it will morph into hard power.

    Do you really think the "Laudato Si" had little influence in the Climate Change movement we are now experiencing? Maybe a little research on the Paris Climate Agreement and Laudato Si, would be informative?

    But anyway -- there are also other powerful influences that will bring in the "mark of the beast" as well.

    Talking about this is not to attack people, it is to expose the deception orchestrated by the dragon which he carries out through human powers to rob Christ of His followers.
    Jesus died for all, not wanting any to perish, that's why the warnings are given.

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  4. Indeed, we really care for our relatives and friends who are in other belief systems. It really hurts them when we share with them the truth about the mark of the beast, God's word of truth. I felt the same thing when I was studying the Bible before my conversion. But accepting the truth will set you free. We don't create the story, but we just share with them the truth. We love them and we care for them, not to convert them, but to share our concern for them to be with those who are on the Lord's side in the end. As the Bible says, no one knows when the second coming of Jesus will be, but the Adventists study carefully about the signs of the times that are clearly in the word of God. Yes, we should share our love with others, so that as much as possible they will not be hurt too much, but to realise God's presence with everyone. How I wish we should be all instruments of God to share this truth. Even on the social media platforms we can reach out to our dearly loved kinfolk and friends, for the glory of God.

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    • Yes, you are looking at the right journal. It has an article The Observance of Sunday, and Civil Laws for its Enforcement.
      By John (idmary Shea, LL.D 139. The journal is over 700 pages long and the best way to search it is to download a pdf text version. I should add that the text version has not converted accurately so there are numerous errors in it. Don't download the image scan version as it is readable but you cannot search it.

      The article itself is quite informative and reflects the mood of the Catholic church at the time, 1883. And it helps us understand why the issue of Sunday laws featured quite strongly in Seventh-day Adventist literature in the late 1800s.

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    • If the direct quote is in that journal, it is not showing up in a word search, which may not mean that the quotation isn't in there somewhere.

      Statements similar to this were in older Catholic catechisms. I don't know of any more recent than 50 years or so ago, so I don't know if there's anything like it in a current catechism.

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      • The state of the text in the given article is not good. Given that it was published in 1883 and that what we see on the Internet is either photographic images of the pages or electronic text conversions from very old printed material, the chances of finding a phrase is somewhat diminished. The parts of that I looked out were filled with scan errors. I have downloaded the whole document and when I have time I will have another look at it.

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      • I have the current catechism, I haven't yet found that sort of quote in there. What I do see is a matter of fact quote, "2030 - It is the Church, in communion with all the baptized, that the Christian fulfills his vocation, From the Church he receives the word of God containing the teachings of the "Law of Christ." Paragraphs 2168-2173 could nearly be written by a Seventh-day Adventist as far as affirming the Biblical Sabbath from creation and Jesus' respect for it. Paragraphs 2174-2176 make matter of fact statements about the transference to Sunday, based upon the famous Justin Martyr quote, Christ's resurrection and the fact that now, "...Sunday fulfills the moral command of the Old Covenant, taking up its weekly rhythm and spirit in the weekly celebration of the Creator and Redeemer of his people."

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    • I've mentioned this before, but I don't really like using a document from 1883 to prove Catholic teachings. That's a long time ago. The Catholic church has changed in some respects (for example services in English, Catholics now being allowed to read the Bible). That doesn't mean that the church has changed on this issue, but if we can't find a recent quote, we should tread carefully. I think of the question from Monday's lesson about treating people the way we want to be treated and I'm not sure we'd like it if people quoted all sorts of things about our church from the 1800s.

      I feel we don't need "proof" that the Catholic church considers Sunday its "mark" to recognize the unbiblical teachings in the church. Plus Sabbath is inherently different from Sunday in any form. Perhaps we should emphasize Sabbath and what it says about God's character more than pointing out errors.

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      • I have downloaded the article, corrected the scan errors, and formatted it as a Word document. Furthermore, I have now read it several times. It is an interesting article and is really about the issue of the enforcement of Sunday Laws in New York in the 1880s. Rather than cherry-picking a few quotes, it is better to read the whole article.

        It gave me a better understanding of the 1880 situation on church-state relationships and I can understand why, for instance, Ellen White wrote about Sunday Laws in the way she did.

        I agree with Christina though, that while the article is interesting from an historical perspective, it would have been more pertinent to use a more recent source. When I asked my students to write a paper, and they used a historic source I always asked the question why they had not chosen a more recent source.

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        • Maurice,

          Thanks for the tip!

          There are certainly statements from Catholic sources clearly stating that they claim responsibility for the change.

          But just to clarify, was the specific quote in the ariticle?

          I realize I may sound like I'm being nit-picky, and I apologize - my concern here is that we Sabbath keepers don't unwittingly circulate quotes that end up being inaccurate, and that if we do it by mistake, we correct it. If we are not careful, this will come back to haunt us later.

          - Michele

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          • You are right Michele and its not being picky. Statements such as this need to properly cited and not used without due care. The use of quote marks is an unfortunate inclusion that should not have been used.

            I should also add that there are other issues with the quote that show the naivety of its use. While the journal is a Catholic journal and the author of the paper is a well-known Catholic Historian, He is not an official of the Church as his statements should be read as a commentary on the church's position.

            It is analogous to what I write on Sabbath School Net. While I am a retired employee of the Seventh-day Adventist Church, writing on a blog, supportive on the Church, there is no way that my comments should be regarded as official church positions.

            There are quite a few statements in the paper in question that discuss the role of the Roman Catholic church in changing the day, but any reference or citation should have been prefaced with words like this: "John Gilmary Shea, an emminant Catholic Historian, shows that ...".

            It is an interesting article in its own right, and I found it particularly informative about attitudes and actions regarding Sunday Laws, in the late 1800s. It also helps me understand why Sunday laws feature so strongly in Seventh-day Adventist literature of the time.

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            • Thank you Maurice,

              I appreciate you doing the work of prepping the document, and also your emailing it to me. I did a quick search and didn't find the quote, and if I understand you, you didn't see it either.

              But I plan on looking more into this article. It looks like it is still quite useful - Here is one useful quote:

              "The Sunday was as purely an ecclesiastical creation as the feasts, but they retained it as the Sabbath." ("They" being Separatists and Puritans, who had set aside other Catholic feasts)

              Your idea of referencing this as coming from "John Gilmary Shea, an emminant Catholic Historian" is certainly not a bad suggestion.

              I don't fault anyone using a source like this, even if perhaps we decide to change how we attribute it to avoid any misunderstandings.

              While perhaps it wasn't an official Vatican statement, I would think an emminant Catholic historian's work would provide a valid, credible data point in a discussion on Catholic theology and thinking on this subject.

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            • Yes it is a credible document, it just needs to be used in an appropriate way.

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  5. I noticed that today the illustration has the number 666 on the forehead of a man. I just want to sound a word of caution about some of the information that you will find by doing a Google search for the number and trying to draw conclusions from what you read.

    I set about trying to find a bit of history of the use of 666 from non-religious sources. Most of the sources that I found using Google were from Seventh-day Adventists or Jehovah's Witnesses. I was particularly interested in seeing if I could find any evidence that the number was associated with Babylon. A Seventh-day Adventist, R A Anderson (an Australian who spent most of his life in the USA as an evangelist) wrote a book, "Unfolding the Revelation", 1974 Pacific Press in which he traces the origins of 666 back to Babylon. He had photographs of coins or amulets, presumably worn by priests of sun worship, which depicted a magic square of the numbers 1 to 36, arranged in such a way so that each of the 6 rows or 6 columns added up to 111, and of course 6 x 111 = 666.
    Amulet/coins from R A Anderson's book.
    This of course piqued my interest and I checked up on it. There is an issue and I quote:

    Despite these drawings offered by Anderson, he does not provide us with anything substantial regarding where these supposed amulets were discovered, their actual age, etc. However, the drawings he provides offer evidence in themselves that these coins are definitely not from ancient Babylon; if this were so, the language on the coins would then be a Semitic language known as Akkadian, which is not the case for either coin. In fact, the second coin is actually written in Latin. Thus, despite the assertion by Anderson that these are “amulets worn by pagan sun-worshiping priests” (126), that simply is not true. Robert Alan King, "The Babylonian Sun Amulet Dupe"

    My point is this: In our enthusiasm to provide meaning to the symbolism of 666 we need to be careful to do our research. It is very easy to accept an argument when it appears to support our view but when it is based on poor analysis it erodes our credibility.

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    • You’re right, Maurice. We must live out the truth in word and deed. Sometimes we want to prove ourselves right to the other party, but make a mistake by sharing insufficient or incorrect information in the hope that we help others discover the truth. Being a follower of Christ must always be in deed but also in word (dissemination of the right information).

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    • Very interesting, Maurice. I think our readers may also find the article you cited, "THE BABYLONIAN SUN AMULET DUPE" interesting.

      I wonder whether the source of R.A. Anderson's material is the book, The Two Babylons: Or, the Papal Worship Proved to Be the Worship of Nimrod, by Alexander Hislop.

      I won't go into the details, but it is largely a book of fiction built on anti-Catholic speculation. For example, the author puts historical figures who lived many hundreds of years apart together as husband and wife! In this electronic age, the book has been frequently bundled with Bible concordances, thus demonstrating a degree of respectability that is wholly undeserved. I still see people quoting the book as "authority" when its accuracy has been thoroughly disproven.

      The book was originally published in 1853, and I don't doubt that it was used as authority by many in Anderson's time.

      On the other hand, I have also seen the equally harmful error of accepting current religious or secular "authorities" at face value. Jesus told us to be "wise as serpents and harmless as doves." I think that means that we need to be distrustful both of self and of the "authorities" in this world and earnestly ask for discernment and wisdom that only God can give.

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  6. Many years ago, there was a pastor here in Yuba City, named William Ludwig. He passed away in Redlands, California about 25 years ago. In his final days, he was in the Catholic hospital in that area for a period of time. A much older nun came into his room to ask him a question.

    She asked “Pastor, I have been a Catholic all my life, over 50 years. I have relatives who converted to Seventh day Adventists. They say there will be no Catholics in heaven. Is that true?”

    He replied “I am just Bill. I am a retired pastor, and any opinion I give you will be mine and mine alone. However, your Seventh-day Adventist friends are correct that there will be no Catholics in heaven. But you can tell them, there will be no Seventh-day Adventists in heaven either, only forgiven sinners.”

    Keep the faith…

    Royce

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    • YES, thank you for that wonderful story, Brother Royce!!

      When Jesus comes, there will be no more "ism" or "ist", no more religions. There will be only "the Bridegroom (Jesus)" and His Bride (the redeemed children of God). This is what I told my class last Sabbath.

      Yes, please continue to worship and fellowship in a Bible-based church, such as the Seventh-day Adventist church, that teaches the entire Bible. But don't get so caught up in any religion; or you will be disappointed as well.

      Jesus does not care about all these religions; He only cares about saving sinners.

      Follow Jesus, become His disciple. And please listen to Jesus' voice over all others, and He will give you the power to stand in the last days, whether it is the mark of the beast or just everyday problems and situations.

      God bless us all!

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  7. Grace and peace! Could you tell me on what page of the American Quarterly Review I may find it?

    "Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change was her act. … And the act is a mark of her ecclesiastical power and authority in religious matters."

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  8. Back in 1998 Pope John Paul II published a Pastoral Letter, Dies Domini in which he strongly appeals to the moral imperative of the Sabbath commandment.

    I remember reading the letter and was quite surprised at the pope's reasoning why and how Sunday should be observed. It sounded an awful lot like what our writers publish concerning the joys and reasons for keeping Saturday. He was looking to the Sabbath commandment, as well as all the texts concerning the seventh day Sabbath, as the basis for keeping Sunday.

    This document, as well as other more modern Catholic documents on "the sabbath" represent a significant departure from the traditional way the Vatican presented Sunday in the past.

    For example, early Catholic writers like Thomas of Aquinas, wrote:

    "In the New Law the observance of the Lord's day took the place of the observance of the Sabbath not by virtue of precept (of the commandment itself) but by the institution of the church and the custom of Christian people"Summa Theologica Art 4, p. 1702

    In other words, in the past the concept was that Sunday is a new Christian observance that has nothing to do with the Jewish, Judaizing of their day or the fourth commandment.

    We can still find this concept on Catholic Answers:

    Caller: So did the Catholic Church, did they change the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday?

    Mark Brumley: I’m gonna say no, and I’m gonna say no because we don’t understand Sunday to be the Sabbath.

    But we do see a shift in their thinking:
    Do they, or do they not, believe Sunday carries the same moral imperatives as the command to keep the seventh-day Saturday?

    Rev. Peter Geiermann C.SS.R in The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine p.50, 1910, writes:
    Question: Which is the Sabbath day?
    Answer: Saturday is the Sabbath day.
    Question: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
    Answer: We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church in the council of Laodicea (A.D.336) transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.

    But in his letter, Pope John Paul speaks eloquently of the Sabbath from its setting apart and rest at the end of creation in Genesis, to the rest from the bondage of Egypt and of sin, and of redemption in Christ, but links Sunday as a fulfilment of the Sabbath.

    In his letter, John Paul was seeking to make Sunday keeping a moral imperative and he tries to accomplish this by rooting the day in the Sabbath commandment itself!

    But this cannot be done! Sunday is NOT the Sabbath that God hallowed, set apart and blessed.

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  9. As a God of love, He has left hints about the future; thus, we won't be surprised. What do we have to do with this prophecy information? Indeed not to despair, but prepare. Now is the time to claim the true wisdom from God, His Holy Spirit, so we can win our battles today because tomorrow is already guaranteed.

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  10. Several have asked for more modern official quotes:
    So here is the present position from their current catechism, posted on the Vatican Website.

    The Catechism of the Catholic Church (Latin: Catechismus Catholicae Ecclesiae; commonly called the Catechism or the CCC) is a catechism promulgated for the Catholic Church by Pope John Paul II 1992.

    Part three, Section Two: the ten commandments, Chapter One, Article three: the third commandment.
    Quotes Exodus 20:8-10 and Mark 2:27-28
    This is followed by 27 statements. Here is a sample

    2168 The third commandment of the Decalogue recalls the holiness of the sabbath: "The seventh day is a sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the LORD."92

    2169 In speaking of the sabbath Scripture recalls creation: "For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and hallowed it."93

    2170 Scripture also reveals in the Lord's day a memorial of Israel's liberation from bondage in Egypt: "You shall remember that you were a servant in the land of Egypt, and the LORD your God brought you out thence with mighty hand and outstretched arm; therefore the LORD your God commanded you to keep the sabbath day."94

    2171 God entrusted the sabbath to Israel to keep as a sign of the irrevocable covenant.95

    2174 Jesus rose from the dead "on the first day of the week."104 Because it is the "first day," the day of Christ's Resurrection recalls the first creation. Because it is the "eighth day" following the sabbath,105 it symbolizes the new creation ushered in by Christ's Resurrection. For Christians it has become the first of all days, the first of all feasts, the Lord's Day (he kuriake hemera, dies dominica) Sunday:

    2175 Sunday is expressly distinguished from the sabbath which it follows chronologically every week; for Christians its ceremonial observance replaces that of the sabbath.

    2176 The celebration of Sunday observes the moral commandment inscribed by nature in the human heart to render to God an outward, visible, public, and regular worship "as a sign of his universal beneficence to all."109 Sunday worship fulfills the moral command of the Old Covenant, taking up its rhythm and spirit in the weekly celebration of the Creator and Redeemer of his people.

    2188 In respecting religious liberty and the common good of all, Christians should seek recognition of Sundays and the Church's holy days as legal holidaysThey have to give everyone a public example of prayer, respect, and joy and defend their traditions as a precious contribution to the spiritual life of society. If a country's legislation or other reasons require work on Sunday, the day should nevertheless be lived as the day of our deliverance which lets us share in this "festal gathering," this "assembly of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven."125

    N BRIEF

    2189 "Observe the sabbath day, to keep it holy" (Deut 5:12). "The seventh day is a sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the Lord" (Ex 31:15).

    2190 The sabbath, which represented the completion of the first creation, has been replaced by Sunday which recalls the new creation inaugurated by the Resurrection of Christ.

    2191 The Church celebrates the day of Christ's Resurrection on the "eighth day," Sunday, which is rightly called the Lord's Day (cf SC 106).

    2192 "Sunday . . . is to be observed as the foremost holy day of obligation in the universal Church" (CIC, can. 1246 # 1). "On Sundays and other holy days of obligation the faithful are bound to participate in the Mass" (CIC, can. 1247).

    2193 "On Sundays and other holy days of obligation the faithful are bound . . . to abstain from those labors and business concerns which impede the worship to be rendered to God, the joy which is proper to the Lord's Day, or the proper relaxation of mind and body" (CIC, can. 1247).

    2194 The institution of Sunday helps all "to be allowed sufficient rest and leisure to cultivate their amilial, cultural, social, and religious lives" (GS 67 # 3).

    2195 Every Christian should avoid making unnecessary demands on others that would hinder them from observing the Lord's Day.

    From what I can see here -- this is a statement tailored so all former Protestant churches can agree and ecumenical unity can progress. According to this view; The Saturday Sabbath was for the Jews, asserting that since the cross a new law is instituted for Christians in which Sunday is now the day of supreme worship.
    So we are back to old covenant/new covenant arguments and that somehow the Sabbath was transferred, though no new command or confirmation is given in scripture.

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