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  1. Hello William Earnhardt.
    I have a question regarding I Thess 4: 14 and 16. Verse 14 says that God will bring the believers who died with Him and Jesus when he returns (NLT). Then verse 16 goes on to say that the dead in Christ will rise first…
    What does verse 14 mean when Paul says that God, when He returns, will bring with Jesus the believers who had died?

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    • Hi Gary, according to some commentaries it means bring with Him from the grave. In other words bring them from the grave to be with him.

      I have also heard other people explain it as he will bring them with him back to heaven from the earth.

      And I have heard other commentators say that it means he is bringing his breath of life to give back to them.

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      • Hello again, Thanks for your response.

        Gen 2:7 speaks of Adam’s (humanity’s) creation…”and man became a living soul (KJV), being (NIV), creature (ESV), person (NLT). Is it possible that a “living being” has not only a body (from dust/ground) and energy (breath of life), but a “spirit/soul” that is the culmination of our life experiences, knowledge, decisions and their consequences that form/produce a character? And is this character, the “essence” of who we are, something that GOD keeps and protects after we die and then brings with Him on resurrection day to unite with our immortal and incorruptible bodies? Kind of like taking a software backup (character) and downloading it into a new computer (body)? Body/mind/spirit…hardware/software/energy source.

        I’m not implying that this essence is cognitive/self-aware while in GOD’s care, (it is sleeping), but is a part of the new resurrected being.

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        • Hi, Gary. I'd love to respond to this, as you have invited me to do. To my mind, your idea seems to be spot on with what the Bible teaches. God preserves the essence of who we are, along with the character that we have formed, and in the resurrection gives all of this a new and far better -- but clearly recogizable -- body.

          Here is where I think the terminology of soul and spirit fits into this. The Hebrew word for soul is "nephesh." This is the word so variously translated in Genesis 2:7, and it is the essence of the individual. This word is also used in connection with Elijah praying for the resurrection of the widow's son.

          And he stretched himself out on the child three times, and cried out to the LORD and said, “O LORD my God, I pray, let this child’s soul come back to him.” Then the LORD heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came back to him, and he revived. 1 Kings 17:21-22 NKJV

          The NIV translates this as the boy's "life."

          So, when we talk about the preservation of the soul -- in Matthew 10:28, for instance -- this refers to God's ability to bring back the selfsame sleeping saint, with a continuity of consciousness.

          Someone may correct me, but I understand that the breath and the spirit are the same thing -- "ruach" in Hebrew. This is more than mere energy, or the "spark of life."

          For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? 1 Corinthians 2:11, first part

          Interestingly, Ellen White equates our character with our spirit that goes back to God when we die.

          Our personal identity is preserved in the resurrection, though not the same particles of matter or material substance as went into the grave. The wondrous works of God are a mystery to man. The spirit, the character of man, is returned to God, there to be preserved. In the resurrection every man will have his own character. God in His own time will call forth the dead, giving again the breath of life, and bidding the dry bones live. The same form will come forth, but it will be free from disease and every defect. It lives again, bearing the same individuality of features, so that friend will recognize friend. There is no law of God in nature which shows that God gives back the same identical particles of matter which composed the body before death. God shall give the righteous dead a body that will please Him. Maranatha, page 301

          That last sentence appears to be an allusion to 1 Corinthians 15:35-49.

          Like you said, all of these questions, and this analysis, come in the context of death being a sleep -- a soul sleep.

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    • Good question, Gary. May I weigh in on the answer? I think the key to understanding this verse is a very similar passage in Isaiah 26:19.

      Your dead shall live; together with my dead body they shall arise.

      Who is speaking here? To my mind, it has to be Jesus. This verse predicts a general resurrection which, as Paul points out in 1 Corinthians 15:12-19, is contingent upon the resurrection of Christ.

      At first glance, to our modern minds at least, the word "together" may seem to imply that the general resurrection will happen at the same time as the resurrection of Christ, but we know that this is not the case.

      Now we come to 1 Thessalonians 4:14.

      For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.

      The words "with Him" are an exact equivalent to the "together with My dead body" in the Isaiah verse, and the topic -- the general resurrection -- is the same. To my mind, this settles the question. God will bring those who sleep in Jesus back with Him from the grave, as verse 16 goes on to describe.

      For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.

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