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Why We Must Always Follow Jesus’ Counsel in Matthew 18 — 9 Comments

  1. Dear William, I so appreciate the amplification you provide to our lessons—thank you! I have a question re how to apply this guidance in instances of abuse or imbalance of power. How effective will it be for the abused to remonstrate one-on-one with the abuser? How can the abused bring a witness or two without explaining the situation which is likely to introduce “bias”?

    • Well, it seems to me that, If the “Three Steps” of Matthew 18:15-17 were “Strictly followed,” Being: Step 1. The offender and the offended just by themselves here. The offender would be, in this setting, “The Incestuous Man.” The Offended here would be maybe “The Pastor of that Church.” Step 2. would be if “The Incesteous Man,” did not repent, then The Pastor would here have a right to get “One or Two Witnesses,” and meet with the “Incesteous Man.” Then, if that man did not change his course here, “A Church Business Meeting” would be required here, but definitely, “Not a Board Meeting at all.” And finally, if that man did not “Repent” here, then “And Only Then,” the man should be disfellowshipped.

      • Pete, by the time Paul heard about this situation, it was well known in the church and the local community. There was nothing personal or secret about it. The counsel in Matthew 18 concerns one-on-one offenses between Christians that are not public.

        Public sin needs to be dealt with publicly. The Corinthian situation was very public and needed to be addressed by the church body.

    • Natalie, you make a good point here. I don’t think this process necessarily works for someone who is being abused. Given the nature of many abusers, it will probably give them a head start to get their story out. I’m not sure what the answer is. If there is physical or sexual abuse, you can go directly to the police and let that start the process of discipline. But this would not be possible in cases of emotional abuse.

    • Hi Natalie, Good questions! Of course, the same Paul that told us to judge issues in First Corinthians 6 also tells us in Romans 13 to obey the laws of the land and respect the civil servants. Also in First Corinthians 6 he’s talking about dealing with sin in the church, not people who are breaking civil laws. Rape, child, molestation, and so forth are civil laws as well as moral laws, so I believe our obligation is to go straight to the police with those matters.

      It seems to me that after the civil law has done its job, then it would be visited by the church to see how the standing of the offender would be in the church, with all things considered, like did they actually commit a felony, which would be decided by the courts, and are they repentant?

      The case being addressed in 1 Corinthians 5 was not a civil offense. It was only an offense in the church, so it needed to be judged by the church. In Chapter 6 it seems to me Paul is talking about lawsuits and not major felony crimes.

      So in matters of abuse I would go straight to the police, as in Romans 13 Paul also endorses those upholding the laws of the land.

      As far as abuse of power, I would and have confronted the individual. When that got me nowhere, I went to the church. Fortunately, the church had my back, and everything worked out well. Of course, when you go to the rest of the church, the offender will call that gossip and try to make himself look like the victim. These matters require much prayer.

      What are your thoughts?

    • Hi Natalie,
      First of all, if the person abused is underage, the laws in most western nations require that the abuse be reported to the police. This needs to happen.

      As to what an adult in an abusive relationship should do, the situation is complicated. First of all, pray for wisdom to know whom to approach.

      I know of cases where the abusers were well-liked in the church and charismatic, and the church sided with the abuser. That happened to my cousin.

      A friend of mine was being physically abused by her husband (as in choking her till she nearly passed out), and she looked for counsel from her pastor. The pastor told her to be more submissive!! (That was clearly bad counsel.)

      If at all possible, the first thing for the abused person to do is to get out of the situation.

      If the abused person has not stood up to the abuser and firmly said that the behavior is not okay, that would be the first step, according to Matthew 18. For an abused person, standing up to an abuser is extremely difficult, because they have been conditioned not to trust their judgment. They have been conditioned to see the abuser as being “more right.” It will take a lot of prayer and faith to take a firm stand against abuse of any kind. Not argument. Just a firm stance.

      (In two different situations, I have observed a husband abusing a wife because she allowed it. After remarriage to a more assertive person, the husbands not attempt the same abusive behavior. I believe this may be a pattern.)

      If a Christian counselor is available, it might be really helpful to consult such a counselor.

      If, after prayer and taking a firm stand against abuse without changed behavior from the abuser, the abused adult feels that the church might be supportive, by all means, tell a trusted person, and ask that person to be there to confront the abuser, and follow the steps from there.

      Realistically, it is always necessary to tell someone a little of the situation in order to have that person be the “other person” to talk to the offender. Just tell the outlines honestly, not all the details.

  2. Hello Pastor Earnhardt, I am always enlightened by your posts. Matthew 18 talks more about what to do when someone offends you and not about when the church decides to discipline someone that it perceives is living in sin. The guidance to the church to take matters into their own hands is concerning to me as I believe it puts it in the position of judge and jury, especially when we are all sinners.

    • Hi Sharonlyn,

      You have made a good point and answered your own question. The church is not supposed to judge and deal with perceived sin. The church is only supposed to judge open sins. This is why a clear investigation needs to be carried out. I know of several situations in the church where an elderly woman rents a room in her home to a young man. Instead of jumping to crazy conclusions and perceptions, in each case the churches have suspected the best and most innocent scenario, as there was no obvious open evidence of anything wrong going on between them, and they have been left alone by the church, since just sleeping under the same roof is no evidence of sexual immorality. The Bible and Spirit of Prophecy teach us to perceive the best in people and not the worst.

      You are right; we are all sinners, which is why we need to be as careful with others as we would want them to be with us. However, I have felt that people misunderstand what Jesus meant when He said, “Let he who is without sin throw the first stone.” Jesus knew the men accusing the woman were all participants in their plan to trap this woman in adultery. According to Old Testament law, the witnesses, not the participants, were to do the stoning. So what Jesus was saying was, let those who were not involved in this same sin throw the first stone. Too often I hear of people talking about judging others as if it is throwing stones at them. Jesus was not talking about throwing stones as a metaphor. He was talking about literally throwing stones. When we deal with open sin in the church, we are not literally throwing stones. We are just hopefully addressing the issue in a redemptive manner.

  3. I believe if we don’t follow these steps we are standing in the way of keeping a soul for Christ. Too often, people take it upon themselves to judge and chastise of sins of the past that the person has already been forgiven and repented, because of false righteous indignation.
    Thank-you William very good counsel, whatever the circumstances are.

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