Amen. Thanks for reminding us that our Heavenly Father loves and cares for us in ways we cannot fathom. The Lord has used you to encourage and strengthen me as I continue on this heavenly journey. May He continue to use you in a mighty ways.
Comment by Lisanne Ward — April 10, 2013 @ 2:13 am
Can God eternely love those that perish in fire of punishment and new creation? Will He remember lost ones and live with that knowlidge in times with no end?
Comment by goran bosanac — April 10, 2013 @ 7:16 am
Wow, Goran, that is a question I never thought of before! I'm just guessing, but I would assume that because God is eternal and infinitely loving, He will always remember and in some way mourn those who chose to die rather than spend eternity with Him.
Lillianne, I appreciate your article and like you and your coworkers sometimes I wonder why people do things to themselves that are destructive. What I have come to understand is that sometimes one pain is far less than another. For instance I have heard parents say that a situation their son or daughter was in would be far less painful to them if it were happening to them personally rather than to their offspring.
When a person is bulimic we usually consider that ridiculous but what we don't understand most is the psychological problems the person is facing and the fact that what they do is compensating for something. Sometimes the psychological pain is far more than the physical pain used in replacing the stress, anxiety, or frustration.
Some people will do strange things to simply get their mind off a stressful situation. I remember being in church board meetings where quite often many of the women would bring their knitting projects to the meeting not to boast about them but as a distraction to the sometimes stressful atmosphere of the meeting. They used it as a psychological bypass around environmental stress. For instance in India the movie industry is somewhat larger compared to the US but if one looks at the social conditions including work environment the reason becomes quite clear. Yet in the US, stress is high enough that it drives a lot of people to seek relief in ways that usually ends up in destructive behavior. The entertainment and drug industry thrives on this. Anything to get one's mind off the horrible reality of their lives - even for a moment.
Comment by Tyler Cluthe — April 10, 2013 @ 10:21 am
Lilliane, I just came up with that question when read your text. I think: if God mourns all eternity, than He will never be happy; on the other hand if He forget, that is because He stops loving them. In last sense He is not infinitely loving, and can stop to love. Can you see what a big question is this? I can only remember Esau and Jacob in sense that God loved Jacob but not Esau.
Comment by goran bosanac — April 10, 2013 @ 12:14 pm
We had a cat called Mocha who was the most personable cat you could possibly imagine. In the morning when I was working at my computer he would jump up near the keyboard and reach out and touch my face with his paw, and meow until I would pay him some attention. Mocha grew old and got sick and we found that he had kidney degeneration. We had him euthanized to end his suffering. Now two years later while I am sitting at my keyboard I think of Mocha with great sadness, but I also think of the ten years of happiness that he gave us. There will always be a hole in my heart left by the absence of Mocha, but at the same time it does not consume my life. I have moved on - and we have another cat Cino, who is also going to leave a hole in our hearts when he dies. Such events do not define me, but are a part of the fabric of my life.
Perhaps my experience with the cats illustrates just a little of what God will experience with those who reject Him. There will always be a hole left for those who did not take the offer of eternal life, but there will be the joy of experiencing the relationship with those who have accepted.
One of the recurring themes of the Bible story is renewal and recovery. I think that it is a theme that God Himself knows from experience. After all we are made in His image.
Comment by Maurice Ashton — April 11, 2013 @ 2:53 pm
Tyler I appreciate your insight into the why behind many self-destructive behaviors. I learned something that I had not considered before. Thank you.
Thanks for sharing this Maurice. I've lost three pets that I loved over the years, and they are all missed. Not to mention several family members and close friends. Somehow we move on by God's grace, looking forward to redemption, resurrection and reunion at Christ's second coming. God bless you.
Thanks for ilustration. Sometimes an emotional picture gives a better insight than logic and reason. Maybe that is a great picture of God with living emotions and life not just a logical idea of God.
Comment by goran bosanac — April 11, 2013 @ 11:58 pm
An anthropologist proposed a game to the kids in an African tribe. He put a basket full of fruit near a tree and told the kids that who ever got there first won the sweet fruits. When he told them to run they all took each others hands and ran together, then sat together enjoying their treats. When he asked them why they had run like that as one could have had all the fruits for himself they said: ''UBUNTU, how can one of us be happy if all the other ones are sad?''
'UBUNTU' in the Xhosa culture means: "I am because we are"
So do our loving God!!No matter what happens, my love for you will be there for a lifetime. Love, declares our Lord”
Comment by Josiah Kariuki — April 13, 2013 @ 8:35 am
Thank you for UBUNTU. It is loaded with knowing God. God is because we are. We are because God is. I am because we all are. Great I AM. Forgotten life approach in west world. (With all the Bibles printed??) God and us will in the End eat fruit together.
Comment by Goran Bosanac — April 13, 2013 @ 2:53 pm
This Sabbath I went back and reread this article along with some of the comments concerning your question, "The question is, does God love anyone of us any less if we don’t come back to Him?"
The more I think about this question and the judgment that is involved and why the wicked perish the more complex it becomes. Certainly God has infinite love but what do you do when that is totally rejected considering the consequences of that rejection? I am now thinking that judgment basically has two sides to it. First it justifies those who accept God and His government even though they have committed sin and second it acknowledges the rejection of those who have pushed God out of their lives and don't want Him around anymore - ever.
What I don't think God's judgment is, is an arbitrary mindset to destroy those who oppose His government - that would not be freedom. If a person chooses against God's government and the laws He established then he is choosing a government that is dictatorial and where the big fish eat the little fish. The problem is that such a situation makes being a little fish anything but pleasant. So for the sake of the little fish that He created He must remove those that would prey on them. That is the only way that Heaven can honestly be Heaven.
Certainly God will miss those who decide for Hell instead of Heaven but what else could He do in order to ensure everyone's happiness. In a way it seems to be a no win situation for God. Either way He loses a part of His creation and the only choice He seems to really have is to minimize the loss which means getting rid of those who would enjoy causing trouble throughout eternity.
Then there is the question of foreknowledge where God creates creatures that He fully well knows beforehand will be dangerous to the rest of His creation. So we have to factor that in the equation also and in so doing that whole question becomes way too complex for me to try to figure out. Therefore, I think I will opt to let God handle that whole thing for I am sure that He has already dealt with that issue in His mind long, long ago.
Comment by Tyler Cluthe — April 13, 2013 @ 3:53 pm
These are great stories that remind us that God will not give up on His people.
Comment by Annmarie Tucker — April 13, 2013 @ 4:05 pm