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  1. Justification is a forensic declaration that the christian is righteous rather than the process he is made righteous.

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  2. What I don't understand is "justification by faith" and not by "Works". justification by faith is something that Paul promoted, while Jesus in the parable of the sheep and goats in Mathew contradicts the whole notion of "justification by faith" and that he clearly says that the "goats (on my left)" will not enter my kingdom without "works", ie, clothing the naked, feeding poor, visiting those in prison, while Paul sees it as an act of egotism in Ephesians 2:8-9 - 8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast." What this does, in my opinion, makes prayer and church more important than our selfless acts to help our fellow humans that will improve us, while the abstract nature of prayer and church makes excuses of our neglect of mankind. So we can utter useless statements like I will pray for you as if you have any power to help them in this sense because James says 1) My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. (not that I am against Church and prayer to strength your mission to serve the needs of mankind and ultimately yourself. Why do we take such stock in Paul, when he did not witness Jesus. We are to believe him because he says he experienced Jesus in his "Vision", while ignoring the opportunity to witness Jesus while he was still alive. So when you quote scripture to justify your responses, you should not quote Paul or any of his followers and stick to the gospels of those that witnessed Jesus like in Mathew and also James (14) What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him? 15) If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food, 16) and one of you says to them, "Go in peace, be warmed and be filled," and yet you do not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that? 17) Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself. which seems to be in the same vain as Mathew; however since, I am not well versed in the Bible, I cannot say much more. It seems like Paul changed Jesus's mission. It is not surprising to see many Evangelicals miss the entire point of Jesus's mission to condemn others for their weakness to the point that we have people in the south burning crosses on black peoples lawn and burning churches wondering what on earth are they reading and who is telling them this nonsense.

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