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Did God Predestinate Us to be Lost or Saved? — 8 Comments

  1. Thanks.

    offcourse we have the choice of our destination in ourself God doesnot force us to choice him even if he don't want anyone to be lost

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    • We all have a choice 2nd Peter 3:8 as previously noted, with the exception, God has a choice also. Our choice is not simply yes or no. It requires a change in direction if we are determined to continue in sinful practices, such as found in Romans 7.

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  2. If I sit back and say "God knows if I will get a drivers licence or not" and do nothing about it, what are the chances I will get a drivers licence? 0%. If I sit back and say "God know if I will be saved or not" and do nothing about it, what are the chances I will be saved? 0%. I have a choice and I have to do something about it.

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  3. Make a choice; take a choice; act on the choice and you will make your choiced destination. Stay blessed.

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  4. Hi William Earnhardt, sorry that it delay a bit before I reply to your request for more explicity to I belief in predestination and election as a saved which I first posted.

    When you talk of predestination, it means foreknowledge of us,what we will be even before birth: Jeremiah 1:5 "before I formed thee in the belly I know thee; and before thou camest forth out of he womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations". The foreknowledge of God also affects Jacob in Roman 9:11-20 "for the children being not yet born, neither having done by good or evil, that the purpose of God might stand ... Jacob have loved, but Esau have I hated ..., I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy ... And whom he will he hardened..." God knows all things, that is the reason why he is called the omniscience even Isaiah 48:3 confirm it when it says "I have declared the former things from the beginning;..." God who knows all things has foreseeing Esau life even before he was born how he will not be a recipient of his mercy and grace and when he was born too, we can see how because of a morsel of food forfeit his inheritance, forgetting that "a meats for the belly and the belly for the meats; but God shall destroy both it and them... and the Lord for the body" 1corinthians 6:13; Jesus as well declared in Matthew 4:5 "...It is written man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedth out of the mouth of God " So therefore, Proverb 29:20 condemn the act of Esau when it says " seeth thou a man that is hasty in his words: there is more hope of a fool than of him" and "even a fool when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteh his lips is esteemed a man of understanding" Proverb 17:28. So Esau was hasty to get his belly being filled with meat and not with precious word of God, at the end he became fool and rejected even though he sought it with tears. His eyes were blinded because of immediate meats to satisfied his belly with, but brought a loss to him at the end. "Hearing ye shall hear and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive: for the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes, have they closed; kept they should be converted and I should heal them".Act 28:25-27. So for predestination to be more understood election needs to come in, so Christ Jesus, so that the purpose of Godheads might stand, was elected or foreordained before the foundation of this world to be the Saviour even when men nor any creatures were yet to be created nor have they sin 1Peter 1:20. If this omniscience God could know what will be outcome of his creature to be created, that means, their election to be saved also is determined before the foundation of the world. God of love who do not force us to worship him gives us choice to choose but due to our freewill, we chose death instead of life which pave way for Christ the redeemer to come to our rescue, by that his freedom of choice granted to us subjected us to vanity but in hope; had it been it is of one way round will, we would not had been subjected to vanity (fall) but rather in force we would be serving him while love will be missing. Example is slave and son: slave is under force while son is under freedom of choice , at the end of the day we can see clearly the one that will enjoy love. Romans 8:18-23 "...For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope" so that we can be adopted as sons, "behold what manner of love the father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God ..."
    Therefore choice pave way for election, for if there is no choice, then, there would be no election. 2Timothy2:19-21 "nevertheless the foundation of God stands sure, having this seal, the Lord know them that are his,... and some to honour and some to dishonour"; this happened in the life of Pharaoh which served as a vessel chosen for destruction while Nebuchadnezzar was a vessel to honour. John 15:14-16 justify it when it says "ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you. Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my father I hath made known on to you, and ordained you..."
    in conclusion, Ephesians1:4,5 and Romans 8:28-38; God the omniscience who has subjected the world to vanity even before the creation provides a saviour, a redeemer to redeem us from this world of vanity in order to become sons and the heirs of his kingdom. So election of the saved has being purpose and determined before the foundation of the world according to Revelation 22:11 for he has known those who will be unjust still, and those who will be filthy still, and those that will be righteous still, and those that will be holy still despite his unlimited grace that will and is available to all.

    (note this word of wisdom) : The hireling is not the owner of the sheep but the shepherd, hireling mismanage the sheep but to the glory of God the shepherd has taken over, by being shepherd over his sheep.The hireling wanted to steal away the heart of the sheep to himself but the shepherd has twice dealt with the hireling and to the glory of God, to eternal destruction, and the sheep whether of the above or of sheep beneath are his so that there will be one fold and one shepherd.

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    • Hi Adeska, Easu made his own choices. Jacob was already promised the birthright, but that did not mean that Esau had to give in to his passions. Exodus 8:15 says Pharaoh hardened his own heart. Also remember the same sun that melts butter hardens clay.

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  5. Thank you for this article. I cannot wrap my mind around a God who decides for us whether we will be saved or not. There is no freedom in that, and God is the author of love and liberty. Only the Enemy likes to control us.

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